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		<title>By: Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Citibank option is what I use, and there is absolutely no charge now. Unfortunately I have to get paid by Paypal (online transactions) and I end up losing money for them still.. For every £1000 it costs me about £65, so in all 6.5% for the privilige of using Paypal as my online payment provider...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Citibank option is what I use, and there is absolutely no charge now. Unfortunately I have to get paid by Paypal (online transactions) and I end up losing money for them still.. For every £1000 it costs me about £65, so in all 6.5% for the privilige of using Paypal as my online payment provider&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Citibank International is one of the best. With an account balance of £2000 there is no fee and you can link your debit card to a EUR or USD or GBP current account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Citibank International is one of the best. With an account balance of £2000 there is no fee and you can link your debit card to a EUR or USD or GBP current account.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 12:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked into dollar accounts a couple of years ago.  In the end I couldn&#039;t justify the charges for what I needed, but I do remember that Barclays had good rates at the time if you mostly wanted to keep some dollars sitting in an accout (no/low minimums, low monthly fees, etc.)

If you do get an American bank account keep a close eye on their exchange rates.  A lot of American banks aren&#039;t so enlightened to the world at large and tend to charge very bad exchange rates. Compared to Wachovia, for example, HSBC&#039;s rates are a bargain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked into dollar accounts a couple of years ago.  In the end I couldn&#8217;t justify the charges for what I needed, but I do remember that Barclays had good rates at the time if you mostly wanted to keep some dollars sitting in an accout (no/low minimums, low monthly fees, etc.)</p>
<p>If you do get an American bank account keep a close eye on their exchange rates.  A lot of American banks aren&#8217;t so enlightened to the world at large and tend to charge very bad exchange rates. Compared to Wachovia, for example, HSBC&#8217;s rates are a bargain.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think someone bought a microsoft certificate a couple of years ago.

The whole PKI model is busted - certificates merely mean that a payment was successfully processed by one of 50 or so dubious certificate authorities at some point (probably within the last 2 years).

It is a lock without a door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think someone bought a microsoft certificate a couple of years ago.</p>
<p>The whole PKI model is busted &#8211; certificates merely mean that a payment was successfully processed by one of 50 or so dubious certificate authorities at some point (probably within the last 2 years).</p>
<p>It is a lock without a door.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the browsers all did their SSL GUI updates (Firefox 3, MSIE 7, etc) to make it more &quot;obvious&quot; when a site was phishing / authenticated / (or not) ... I did wonder why none of them also added a distinction between

&quot;secure, encrypted comms&quot;

and

&quot;secure, encrypted, authenticated comms&quot;

?

The obvious answer I thought of was just that you&#039;re then giving a false sense of security to people who don&#039;t understand the concept of a man-in-the-middle-SSL attack. At least with the &quot;all or nothing&quot; GUI approach, you&#039;re not risking misunderstandings.

Oh. Crap. Except ... there was the random guy who bought the mozilla.com SSL cert, because they didnt bother checking he even had a valid email address let alone DNS ownership - and yet the cert was valid in the FF client-side cert chain! - around the start of this year. So, in fact, it&#039;s all ****** already :(.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the browsers all did their SSL GUI updates (Firefox 3, MSIE 7, etc) to make it more &#8220;obvious&#8221; when a site was phishing / authenticated / (or not) &#8230; I did wonder why none of them also added a distinction between</p>
<p>&#8220;secure, encrypted comms&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;secure, encrypted, authenticated comms&#8221;</p>
<p>?</p>
<p>The obvious answer I thought of was just that you&#8217;re then giving a false sense of security to people who don&#8217;t understand the concept of a man-in-the-middle-SSL attack. At least with the &#8220;all or nothing&#8221; GUI approach, you&#8217;re not risking misunderstandings.</p>
<p>Oh. Crap. Except &#8230; there was the random guy who bought the mozilla.com SSL cert, because they didnt bother checking he even had a valid email address let alone DNS ownership &#8211; and yet the cert was valid in the FF client-side cert chain! &#8211; around the start of this year. So, in fact, it&#8217;s all ****** already :(.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Weigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Weigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does any browser like a self-signed cert by default?  It&#039;s incredibly stupid, the way browsers confound &quot;encrypted&quot; and &quot;authenticated.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does any browser like a self-signed cert by default?  It&#8217;s incredibly stupid, the way browsers confound &#8220;encrypted&#8221; and &#8220;authenticated.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bilas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Bilas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Firefox doesn&#039;t like your self-signed cert. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Firefox doesn&#8217;t like your self-signed cert. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bilas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Bilas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re looking at US banks, I&#039;d check on Schwab Bank (the banking arm of the Schwab investment firm). After doing a lot of research into many different banks, US and international, we chose to switch to them specifically because of their support for international transfers. Very important as we live in Perú.

I still can&#039;t believe they do this, but when we take out cash here (anywhere in the world actually) they don&#039;t charge a fee. And if the local bank does, and they always do, then Schwab will refund that fee back at the end of the month. We&#039;ve been getting $10-20 back a month so far in fee refunds from Schwab for fees charged by the local banks in Perú. Every single time I&#039;ve gotten this refund my mind has been blown. They do it because they are 100% virtual - no store fronts, no ATM&#039;s. Works out for them I guess.

Schwab has free wire transfers either outbound or inbound, I can&#039;t remember which way. And of course ACH transfers are free.

Their customer service people are very nice and helpful too. Again, I couldn&#039;t believe it, but I called their customer service # because we were stuck in Bolivia with no money and a lost card and got right through to a person. No automated switchboard or waiting on hold. That never happened with Wamu.

I used to have HSBC but got really tired of their horrifyingly bad web site. Got locked out of the stupid thing more times than I can recall. But perhaps you could open an HSBC in the UK for local transfers with your real bank, and then ACH through the HSBC to Schwab in the US?

[Note of course that I&#039;m a US citizen, so I have no idea what the options are with Schwab as a non-resident. But we&#039;ve loved them so far down here, they&#039;ve been really great.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re looking at US banks, I&#8217;d check on Schwab Bank (the banking arm of the Schwab investment firm). After doing a lot of research into many different banks, US and international, we chose to switch to them specifically because of their support for international transfers. Very important as we live in Perú.</p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t believe they do this, but when we take out cash here (anywhere in the world actually) they don&#8217;t charge a fee. And if the local bank does, and they always do, then Schwab will refund that fee back at the end of the month. We&#8217;ve been getting $10-20 back a month so far in fee refunds from Schwab for fees charged by the local banks in Perú. Every single time I&#8217;ve gotten this refund my mind has been blown. They do it because they are 100% virtual &#8211; no store fronts, no ATM&#8217;s. Works out for them I guess.</p>
<p>Schwab has free wire transfers either outbound or inbound, I can&#8217;t remember which way. And of course ACH transfers are free.</p>
<p>Their customer service people are very nice and helpful too. Again, I couldn&#8217;t believe it, but I called their customer service # because we were stuck in Bolivia with no money and a lost card and got right through to a person. No automated switchboard or waiting on hold. That never happened with Wamu.</p>
<p>I used to have HSBC but got really tired of their horrifyingly bad web site. Got locked out of the stupid thing more times than I can recall. But perhaps you could open an HSBC in the UK for local transfers with your real bank, and then ACH through the HSBC to Schwab in the US?</p>
<p>[Note of course that I'm a US citizen, so I have no idea what the options are with Schwab as a non-resident. But we've loved them so far down here, they've been really great.]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crystall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Crystall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, has this ever been a /good/ idea? (using paypal)

You might want to investigate some of the European banks, some will denominate accounts in Pounds or even hold joint balances.


Anyway;

I pay my web hosting using paypal. Why? Because unlike the other payment options they offer, the fees for doing that are pushed onto them, not onto me. I&#039;d move webhost, but they&#039;re reliable and I have an excellent package with them.

(The one time they did breach their SLA? They not only sent me a refund but moved my hosting up a tier package for free. Heck, how many $10/month services have a deacent SLA?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, has this ever been a /good/ idea? (using paypal)</p>
<p>You might want to investigate some of the European banks, some will denominate accounts in Pounds or even hold joint balances.</p>
<p>Anyway;</p>
<p>I pay my web hosting using paypal. Why? Because unlike the other payment options they offer, the fees for doing that are pushed onto them, not onto me. I&#8217;d move webhost, but they&#8217;re reliable and I have an excellent package with them.</p>
<p>(The one time they did breach their SLA? They not only sent me a refund but moved my hosting up a tier package for free. Heck, how many $10/month services have a deacent SLA?)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bank with HSBC (First Direct bit of it) and one bonus if you&#039;re only an occasional traveller to the US is that if you can find one of their ATMs there doesn&#039;t seem to be a cash withdrawl fee. Although obviously you might be able to get a better exchange rate.

One bank you&#039;ve missed out that&#039;s another &#039;international&#039; bank is citibank, although given their ineptitude and general state of affairs I can understand why ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bank with HSBC (First Direct bit of it) and one bonus if you&#8217;re only an occasional traveller to the US is that if you can find one of their ATMs there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a cash withdrawl fee. Although obviously you might be able to get a better exchange rate.</p>
<p>One bank you&#8217;ve missed out that&#8217;s another &#8216;international&#8217; bank is citibank, although given their ineptitude and general state of affairs I can understand why ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam -

Nice coverage. I&#039;ve been concerned about this issue going the other way. Let me know if you need some research on the ground here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam -</p>
<p>Nice coverage. I&#8217;ve been concerned about this issue going the other way. Let me know if you need some research on the ground here.</p>
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