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	<title>Comments on: GetClicky sucks: an Analytics service going out of business?</title>
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		<title>By: Hyder</title>
		<link>http://t-machine.org/index.php/2009/12/09/getclicky-sucks-an-analytics-service-going-out-of-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6308</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well  I do kinda agree getclicky is not performing well. Im a paid subscriber, but I always get error 504 which is really kinda irritating.
I do like the user friendly interface though where they show all the essential informations the user needs to know on the 1st page!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well  I do kinda agree getclicky is not performing well. Im a paid subscriber, but I always get error 504 which is really kinda irritating.<br />
I do like the user friendly interface though where they show all the essential informations the user needs to know on the 1st page!</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 23:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sean

Thanks. Only reason I was &quot;still using it&quot; was the Wordpress plugin that I hadn&#039;t bothered to remove - although I&#039;ve removed it now (it might speed up page-load times a little).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sean</p>
<p>Thanks. Only reason I was &#8220;still using it&#8221; was the Wordpress plugin that I hadn&#8217;t bothered to remove &#8211; although I&#8217;ve removed it now (it might speed up page-load times a little).</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Ortez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Ortez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at get clicky when I compared it to many other services (I&#039;m not a google analytics fan) but found it to be hookie. At first glance it looks nice but when you start digging deeper you see that it&#039;s all surface.

Glad to hear about the volume issues they face...and glad I didnt risk my website with them.

Thanks for the warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at get clicky when I compared it to many other services (I&#8217;m not a google analytics fan) but found it to be hookie. At first glance it looks nice but when you start digging deeper you see that it&#8217;s all surface.</p>
<p>Glad to hear about the volume issues they face&#8230;and glad I didnt risk my website with them.</p>
<p>Thanks for the warning.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also must ask, after this rant about how Clicky sucks, why are you still using it? :)

I see it is active on this site and your last login was fairly recent so.... just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also must ask, after this rant about how Clicky sucks, why are you still using it? :)</p>
<p>I see it is active on this site and your last login was fairly recent so&#8230;. just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I&#039;m just coming across this now. I really don&#039;t feel like you gave a fair overview of the situation.

First of all, when you emailed me, I did in fact look at your site&#039;s traffic levels. You were over the free limit of 3000 daily page views for 12 of your 21 days on the trial. I&#039;m not sure why I said you were over all but 2 days in my original response - it may be because your traffic before the spike was so small that I didn&#039;t even notice it on the graph, because the spike was so big. (I just went back and looked at it now).

When a user&#039;s trial ends, which is a fully automated process, the code looks at your site&#039;s last 7 days of history to determine if you are eligible for the free service or not. Because your spike came during the second half of your trial, the code disabled your site and sent you the automated email.

Second, your claim that we have banned you is completely false. No such action occurred. We do have the ability to ban domains, but your site is not banned and never was, and in fact, your account is still active in our system, along with your disabled site.

Third, the reason I didn&#039;t respond to your second email is because it was full of attitude that I didn&#039;t wish to deal with. You conveniently left out the majority of that email, instead only quoting the first paragraph. As a reminder to yourself, and a convenience to your readers, I am posting the full content of your email below:

--------------
Shrug. OK. I&#039;ll disable it, and stop recommending GC. Thanks.

(FYI: I accidentally got a massive spike of traffic on a tiny blog - I
went from 10 hits a day to 50,000 a day - which made me realise that I
had no stats tracking, so I enabled GC. That traffic is now gone, it
was a flash-in-the-pan thing.)

FYI2: other than &quot;disabling ads&quot; (and the hits limit :)) I don&#039;t see a
noticeable difference between GC free and premium. I don&#039;t know what
your target market is, but if it includes people like myself, you
might want to provide a stronger differentiator.

FYI3: I found GC a year ago when I was reviewing the alternatives to
GA. Even at the time, I thought the daily page views limit seemed a
bit low; I felt you should be selling premium on added-value, rather
than on sheer &quot;you have a lot of hits, so pay up&quot;. There are free
alternatives that do more than GC right now, with no limits, so ...

FYI4: I&#039;ll be using custom awstats from now on. Takes me 10 mins to
setup on that server, but it&#039;s free and has no limits. It lacks the
pretty graphs of GC, but it does some REALLY important things GC fails
on - like tracking &quot;RSS clients vs. direct web clients&quot;. It&#039;s just
ugly :).
--------------


Although it was fully of smiley face&#039;s, the overall picture you were painting was that while you like the product, you don&#039;t like the pricing (even though we are by far the cheapest paid analytics service around) and you get similar functionality elsewhere so why would you even bother using our service. Can you really blame me for not responding to that? Would you respond to an email like that? You said my email to you was snarky, which I don&#039;t see at all, but then you reply with that and wonder why we didn&#039;t respond?

Fourth, your claim that the only 2 things you get for paying are no ads and higher traffic are not true. Some of our most popular features, including Spy and Twitter analytics, are only available to paying accounts. This page summarizes the differences between free and paid accounts:

http://getclicky.com/help/pricing

Fifth, your claim that we removed the iPhone optimized version of our service... I don&#039;t know even know where you&#039;re coming up with this stuff. That has NEVER been removed and is still active and used by thousands of people every single day.

It&#039;s true that we do not have an actual iPhone &quot;app&quot;, but a mobile optimized web site is a nice way to do things because it automatically works on every other platform that uses mobile safari (webkit) - Android, WebOS, and Symbian, to name a few. That immediately more than doubles the number of people who can use it, and the actual development of the mobile product is much easier to design as a web page than a real &quot;app&quot;. Sure it&#039;s not as flashy, but it works well and people love it.

I&#039;m not sure what happened to your email about developing an iPhone app yourself. The only email I have from you is the one you&#039;re quoting from. You may have emailed my partner Noah instead. Either way, we do not intentionally ignore any emails. It may have just slipped through the cracks. WIth the volume of email we receive (over 100 per day), sometimes that just happens. I apologize for that, I assure you we would not have intentionally ignored it.

Sixth, I agree with your criticisms of our front page. It could be a lot better, and doesn&#039;t clearly tell people why they should use us over someone else (except the chart at the bottom). We have wanted to fix it for a long time, but we&#039;re growing real nice as it is already so it&#039;s been hard to prioritize.

Last, your statement that we are &quot;going out of business?&quot;, well, I assure you this could not be further from the truth.


Although I do not feel we did anything wrong, I would like to make it up to you by offering you free Pro service indefinitely. I have upgraded your still existing account to Pro. Feel free to use it if you want. If not, just let me know and I&#039;ll delete it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I&#8217;m just coming across this now. I really don&#8217;t feel like you gave a fair overview of the situation.</p>
<p>First of all, when you emailed me, I did in fact look at your site&#8217;s traffic levels. You were over the free limit of 3000 daily page views for 12 of your 21 days on the trial. I&#8217;m not sure why I said you were over all but 2 days in my original response &#8211; it may be because your traffic before the spike was so small that I didn&#8217;t even notice it on the graph, because the spike was so big. (I just went back and looked at it now).</p>
<p>When a user&#8217;s trial ends, which is a fully automated process, the code looks at your site&#8217;s last 7 days of history to determine if you are eligible for the free service or not. Because your spike came during the second half of your trial, the code disabled your site and sent you the automated email.</p>
<p>Second, your claim that we have banned you is completely false. No such action occurred. We do have the ability to ban domains, but your site is not banned and never was, and in fact, your account is still active in our system, along with your disabled site.</p>
<p>Third, the reason I didn&#8217;t respond to your second email is because it was full of attitude that I didn&#8217;t wish to deal with. You conveniently left out the majority of that email, instead only quoting the first paragraph. As a reminder to yourself, and a convenience to your readers, I am posting the full content of your email below:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Shrug. OK. I&#8217;ll disable it, and stop recommending GC. Thanks.</p>
<p>(FYI: I accidentally got a massive spike of traffic on a tiny blog &#8211; I<br />
went from 10 hits a day to 50,000 a day &#8211; which made me realise that I<br />
had no stats tracking, so I enabled GC. That traffic is now gone, it<br />
was a flash-in-the-pan thing.)</p>
<p>FYI2: other than &#8220;disabling ads&#8221; (and the hits limit :)) I don&#8217;t see a<br />
noticeable difference between GC free and premium. I don&#8217;t know what<br />
your target market is, but if it includes people like myself, you<br />
might want to provide a stronger differentiator.</p>
<p>FYI3: I found GC a year ago when I was reviewing the alternatives to<br />
GA. Even at the time, I thought the daily page views limit seemed a<br />
bit low; I felt you should be selling premium on added-value, rather<br />
than on sheer &#8220;you have a lot of hits, so pay up&#8221;. There are free<br />
alternatives that do more than GC right now, with no limits, so &#8230;</p>
<p>FYI4: I&#8217;ll be using custom awstats from now on. Takes me 10 mins to<br />
setup on that server, but it&#8217;s free and has no limits. It lacks the<br />
pretty graphs of GC, but it does some REALLY important things GC fails<br />
on &#8211; like tracking &#8220;RSS clients vs. direct web clients&#8221;. It&#8217;s just<br />
ugly :).<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Although it was fully of smiley face&#8217;s, the overall picture you were painting was that while you like the product, you don&#8217;t like the pricing (even though we are by far the cheapest paid analytics service around) and you get similar functionality elsewhere so why would you even bother using our service. Can you really blame me for not responding to that? Would you respond to an email like that? You said my email to you was snarky, which I don&#8217;t see at all, but then you reply with that and wonder why we didn&#8217;t respond?</p>
<p>Fourth, your claim that the only 2 things you get for paying are no ads and higher traffic are not true. Some of our most popular features, including Spy and Twitter analytics, are only available to paying accounts. This page summarizes the differences between free and paid accounts:</p>
<p><a href="http://getclicky.com/help/pricing" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://getclicky.com/help/pricing');" rel="nofollow">http://getclicky.com/help/pricing</a></p>
<p>Fifth, your claim that we removed the iPhone optimized version of our service&#8230; I don&#8217;t know even know where you&#8217;re coming up with this stuff. That has NEVER been removed and is still active and used by thousands of people every single day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that we do not have an actual iPhone &#8220;app&#8221;, but a mobile optimized web site is a nice way to do things because it automatically works on every other platform that uses mobile safari (webkit) &#8211; Android, WebOS, and Symbian, to name a few. That immediately more than doubles the number of people who can use it, and the actual development of the mobile product is much easier to design as a web page than a real &#8220;app&#8221;. Sure it&#8217;s not as flashy, but it works well and people love it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what happened to your email about developing an iPhone app yourself. The only email I have from you is the one you&#8217;re quoting from. You may have emailed my partner Noah instead. Either way, we do not intentionally ignore any emails. It may have just slipped through the cracks. WIth the volume of email we receive (over 100 per day), sometimes that just happens. I apologize for that, I assure you we would not have intentionally ignored it.</p>
<p>Sixth, I agree with your criticisms of our front page. It could be a lot better, and doesn&#8217;t clearly tell people why they should use us over someone else (except the chart at the bottom). We have wanted to fix it for a long time, but we&#8217;re growing real nice as it is already so it&#8217;s been hard to prioritize.</p>
<p>Last, your statement that we are &#8220;going out of business?&#8221;, well, I assure you this could not be further from the truth.</p>
<p>Although I do not feel we did anything wrong, I would like to make it up to you by offering you free Pro service indefinitely. I have upgraded your still existing account to Pro. Feel free to use it if you want. If not, just let me know and I&#8217;ll delete it.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lorenzo

Thanks. But please note: that is NOT an iPhone App - that&#039;s a simple web frontend hacked on using iUI or similar to &quot;pretend&quot; to look like an iPhone App.

Since it is not an app, it&#039;s got all the problems of a bookmarked webpage, e.g.:
 - cannot provide the graphs from the website (since these are all Flash-based)
 - cannot permanently remember account info (Apple&#039;s safari automatically deletes this for websites periodically)
 - requires full reload every time you access it, rather than merely downloading the &quot;changed&quot; data
 - cannot cache the last-read data - requires a live internet connection to view stats (again, safari deletes the cache often, out of your control)
 - cannot provide historic data beyond the few simple queries that the website already supports
- ...etc

It&#039;s definitely pretty, but (having used it) it&#039;s not very useful. In the end, I actually found the main website version more useful - even on the iPhone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lorenzo</p>
<p>Thanks. But please note: that is NOT an iPhone App &#8211; that&#8217;s a simple web frontend hacked on using iUI or similar to &#8220;pretend&#8221; to look like an iPhone App.</p>
<p>Since it is not an app, it&#8217;s got all the problems of a bookmarked webpage, e.g.:<br />
 &#8211; cannot provide the graphs from the website (since these are all Flash-based)<br />
 &#8211; cannot permanently remember account info (Apple&#8217;s safari automatically deletes this for websites periodically)<br />
 &#8211; requires full reload every time you access it, rather than merely downloading the &#8220;changed&#8221; data<br />
 &#8211; cannot cache the last-read data &#8211; requires a live internet connection to view stats (again, safari deletes the cache often, out of your control)<br />
 &#8211; cannot provide historic data beyond the few simple queries that the website already supports<br />
- &#8230;etc</p>
<p>It&#8217;s definitely pretty, but (having used it) it&#8217;s not very useful. In the end, I actually found the main website version more useful &#8211; even on the iPhone!</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.getclicky.com/iphone-web-analytics</description>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason

Clearly, I wrote this post badly. The title was intended to be rhetorical - the blog post was intended to show that in the tough post-GA world of analytics, things weren&#039;t looking good.

I&#039;ve had a look around at competing services recently, and they&#039;re adding a lot more features and volume (several times as much as GetClicky), while racing to lower costs further than each other. Not a good sign...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason</p>
<p>Clearly, I wrote this post badly. The title was intended to be rhetorical &#8211; the blog post was intended to show that in the tough post-GA world of analytics, things weren&#8217;t looking good.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a look around at competing services recently, and they&#8217;re adding a lot more features and volume (several times as much as GetClicky), while racing to lower costs further than each other. Not a good sign&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Short</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Short</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, talk about a totally misrepresented headline.  You have NO evidence they are going under other than the fact they cut you off?  That is crazy.  It is like saying because a company refused to serve you a burger all burgers from that company are tainted beef and should be recalled.

You had a problem - that&#039;s it.  Seriously look into what slander and defamation mean in legal terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, talk about a totally misrepresented headline.  You have NO evidence they are going under other than the fact they cut you off?  That is crazy.  It is like saying because a company refused to serve you a burger all burgers from that company are tainted beef and should be recalled.</p>
<p>You had a problem &#8211; that&#8217;s it.  Seriously look into what slander and defamation mean in legal terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogilvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogilvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very happy with getclicky and there is no toher service that beats them. Not even Woopra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very happy with getclicky and there is no toher service that beats them. Not even Woopra.</p>
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		<title>By: The nail in the coffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The nail in the coffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know people who have good rants blogs include the word rant or something of that effect to the url or title. How do you not slit your wrists every morning amazes me, I can only hold out that someday you will make a post about online games or games that I find interesting. I know there is a blog post waiting inside to get out, please listen to the genii and let it out of the bottle instead of throwing the bottle against the wall in every post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know people who have good rants blogs include the word rant or something of that effect to the url or title. How do you not slit your wrists every morning amazes me, I can only hold out that someday you will make a post about online games or games that I find interesting. I know there is a blog post waiting inside to get out, please listen to the genii and let it out of the bottle instead of throwing the bottle against the wall in every post.</p>
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